This is how we learned in Detroit. Some DJs learned via other DJs, like Ken Collier. He was really the master at that. But he did it in a way that was even more unusual. Because you could hear the mix, but before you know it, the track was gone. It's like watching a magician. You see the big elephant, you see the curtain go down, the curtain goes up and the elephant's gone. That was the way he used to mix. You'd listen to it, and follow it, but it would disappear, and you could not track its movement.